Unconventional thoughts

 

Paul’s supporters have an impact at the convention.  Did anyone think the convention, especially this year, would go off without a hitch? I doubt the most naïve GOPers would have thought so. But just to make sure they got the point, lots of Paul people were upset and took their activism to the convention.  I guess they wanted to submit Paul’s name, and wanted to make their presence known. Some left in protest, and apparently some were not seated.  When reading the state votes, they did not call out the Paul votes from the podium.  It caused a stir.

LA Times:

Paul did not win a single state; however, his ardent followers worked arcane local and state party rules to take over several state delegations, including garnering 20 of Maine’s 24 spots. The RNC decided to replace 10 of them, effectively stopping the state from being able to submit Paul’s name for nomination. (In response, the state’s Republican governor, a Romney supporter, decided to boycott the convention.)

 

I really don’t know what to think but I had a few thoughts.

I was always open to the idea and influence of a third Party, conservative one that is. And Paul has had both. In the end, it is the GOP or Republican Party, not the Paul Party.  But probably nothing would be good enough for the Paul supporters.  To me, he had the same predicament the GOP had: one has to accept some undesirable elements with the ones you like.  They don’t see that the same is true for the central GOP platform.  But Paulines  do ask that of other people. Then you have to work in the Party structure. They apparently did that.  Rand Paul seems to have had some real influence on the GOP and platform – as much as he could.

No one can expect Ron Paul’s supporters to go away quietly.  He ended up somewhere around 10%, in votes, which is about where he has been. I can reserve opinion on Paul but they worked the system, to the best of their ability. I have no idea what part of them will come along to support Romney. It’s a question mark to me. What if there were a couple other groups like that?

There have been improvements in the GOP Party (maybe not as much in the establishment per se) this time.  Since 2010 brought in a lot of influence. There is new blood the Party cannot ignore anymore.  I guess it is as good as it gets for now. What the Paul supporters do will be up to them.

Reference:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-ron-paul-20120829,0,6291533.story

25 comments on “Unconventional thoughts

  1. Lee Weishar says:

    hopefully they will vote for what they believe in, and not settle on something they don’t. it’s they only way they can bring about change. the reason things don’t change is because the parties keep getting votes even when the people giving them their votes don’t agree with them. why would a party change if they don’t have to?

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  2. pepperhawk says:

    Bull,

    I am going to assume the people which includes a lot of young people, will not vote for Romney. Either they won’t vote or they will vote 3rd party, or write in Paul.

    I have great respect for Ron Paul from the standpoint he wants to stick to the Constitution. He is such a good motivator he even has college kids reading about the Constitution, our Founders, and other books that are true to our country’s values.

    The real problem comes from his foreign policy in reference to Iran.

    I always think of Ron Paul as a reformer and a revolutionary from the standpoint that he wants the Constitution restored and the law of our land once again. That would be novel now would it not as this present fraud is shredding our Constitution all the time.

    It is kind of sad really that we have to have what is called a “maverick” or a “kook” for only wanting us to abide by the Constitution. I see other conservatives call him a “kook” or other disparaging names and I wonder just how they can then call themselves “Constitutionalists”

    Rand Paul has more of a chance someday because he does not agree with his father in some parts, but still would rather abide by the strict Constitutional law. That is why of all the senators and congressmen I trust only Rand Paul.

    I must say I am glad in your article you did not resort to calling Ron Paul names. He has much to offer. The Republican party does not abide by the Constitution either or congress would have stood up, manned up and impeached this Liar we have right now in the oval office. Instead they let him trample all over us and the Constitution.

    My vote will got to Romney/Ryan, not because I believe either of these men strictly abide by the Constitution, but as a huge NO vote for the Deviant. What Romney/Ryan do after elected is anybody’s guess.

    Ryan voted for the NDDA, that nasty piece of legislation that makes us Americans “terrorists”. I wonder did he read that bill before voting for it? His budget doesn’t balance until 40 years. Rand Paul has a budget that would balance the books in 5 to 6 years. He would get rid of all the agencies we do NOT need and are not Constitutional, such as the EPA, dept.of ed, and the list goes on and on. Billions would be saved by doing away with all that government waste.

    Now Ann Romney, I’ll vote for her. She’s a winner!

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    • bullright says:

      Pepp,

      Ann is a keeper, eh? 🙂 Like the way you put that, diplomatically. It bothers me, I’ve followed Ron Paul for a long time. But I followed him till I can’t go any further. It bugs me some of his stands are sooo refreshing. But I cannot go into the blame America bandwagon. Rand is what is needed in the Senate, many more like him, unafraid and unintimidated. You probably know I’m not Romney’s biggest fan — not quite his worst. (or the GOP estab) Ryan does have some Tea Party support. This was another thing, I like the Tea Party, But never believed RP[Ron]had a lock on it. (which many suggest)

      It seems Ryan is trying to walk a careful line, time will tell as you say. I never thought you could turn a semi around in a parking space. Rand shows real promise and principle. We are in a real pickle now. But we did have a primary and it was diverse. We can afford to be fussy there. We all knew it was coming to this. We have the 2 parties and they make rules yea, and play kingmakers. (I resent the hierarchy of it all) On the other hand, I look at Israel’s system with all its complexities. I don’t even know how many Parties they have now. Why he supported NDDA I’m not sure. At least I don’t think Ryan can be bought and sold. (more than I can say for a lot of em) He’s sort of an insurance policy on Romney. And I forgot they have Rubio in the Senate too with Portman too. I hope this works but the clock is ticking.

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      • pepperhawk says:

        Bull,

        Right you are, we have our ticket now and the only way to get rid of this Liar in Chief is to vote for Romney/Ryan. I do like both of them personally. They both seem to have good, moral and ethical qualities. I think they will try very hard to get this country back on the right road. But, they will have the demons to deal with and these are not the usual suspects, but Alinsky radicals who do NOT compromise.

        The best thing I heard Romney say one time was during one of the primary debates. He said, “We are fighting for the soul of our country”. Bingo. I thought at that time he had the “big” issue in his head. We are losing our country, the very soul of it under the Deviant. And on Ryan I don’t believe he can be bought and sold either. I don’t even think Romney can.

        I am bothered by some of Ron Paul’s foreign policy issues but if you hear him explain them (as he did on Judge Napolitano’s show) before the Judge got booted from Fox per Soros, Ron Paul’s foreign policy made more sense then. I don’t like the “blame” America thing either. But the way he explained it was not so much blaming America as the consequences of us going into these Muslim countries thinking we can form some kind of democracy in them which we can’t. These people are barbaric. And they simply take us for all we’re worth, then turn on us. And that is what is happening.

        I think Rand is not in agreement with many of his father’s foreign policy issues, but he is a strict Constitutional guy. We do have some very good senators with Rand, Portman and Rubio as you mentioned. Also Mike Lee from Utah is a stellar guy. Jim DeMint has turned tea party. What we need is to get some of the old establishment ones out like McCain (I think he’s retiring), Lugar already lost his primary battle and it’s good riddance on him. He was for gun control of all things. This new guy Ted Cruz from Texas is running for a Senate seat from Texas and he’s a tea party candidate. I saw him give a speech last night and he was impressive. Hopefully if he wins he will join forces with the better Senators. I think Ron Johnson is a senator too and he’s pretty good.

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        • bullright says:

          One I should have added, Toomey. And they say Pa is so demsville.(but never mind that) Just wasn’t sure how good he’s been lately. The Spectrocity and Lugar can go wallow in their sorrow. I was pretty disappointed in McCain’s speech that seemed more about him. The response wasn’t too great. I never understood what good calling someone a “friend” is if they aren’t an ally?

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    • bullright says:

      And
      I try to keep it objective as to names. (must reserve venom for the Grande Poobah of Tryranny) Paul earned his place in the race. Now we’ll see what the Paul people do in the infighting that is sure to continue? We know the media will play up any disenchantment, and if they take the bait.

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      • pepperhawk says:

        Bull,

        Yes, the name calling should be reserved for that devil in the oval office.

        I have no idea what will happen with Paul’s delegates. It seems to be up in the air. But, only 2 days ago I read that Ron Paul already made a deal with Romney. Apparently that was not true.

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  3. clyde says:

    If the Paul supporters want to have a nation to save,they best vote for Romney. He IS the nominee. The country cannot afford four more years the BECS in any way,shape or form.And at this point in time,I do NOT believe Ron Paul will be around to EVER be POTUS. That being said,take good conservative values,add the best of Paul’s ideas to it,take the damned liberal wing of this party out,and then maybe we’d have something.

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    • pepperhawk says:

      clyde,

      You are right of course. But, I heard a Paul supporter say he was not going to vote for one evil man for another evil man. This reminds me of the McCain/Obama election. I still think we would be better off has McCain won. For one thing I don’t think he would have turned on his country as a traitor.

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    • bullright says:

      Bingo, THAT sounds like a winning recipe too.

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  4. drrik says:

    So the question is, will the RNC truely shoot itself in the foot to keep the conservative ideas of the Paulites from being heard by the rest of the country? I’m betting yes.

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    • pepperhawk says:

      drrik,

      I agree. They will shoot themselves in the foot and lose about 10% of the vote which they cannot afford to lose. Then we will be left with Obama. God help us all. I’m at a point so far where I don’t believe Romney can be elected. I still think the devil will prevail with all of his lies and the massive fraud that will come with this election.

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    • bullright says:

      They appear to be on a collision course. But then I don’t know how many are not going to support Romney no matter what. And if these rule changes are any hint the RNC is digging its heels in. It looks even worse in the future. So there is some type of standoff. Some may go to Johnson. On a plus note, Rand gave a heck of a speech whatever that did. I’m inclined to think there are only two choices for America, survive or not. Not is hedging its bets.

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  5. pepperhawk says:

    Bull,

    Another thing I want to say on this is I think when we decide to go to war, although it seems only the “prez” has that power now instead of Congress, we should fight a war as a war. The ROE under which our soldiers have to fight are ridiculous and only lead to more of our soldiers getting killed. I wish we would just bomb Iran into oblivion and be done with it. Let it be a desert of glass for the next millennium. Same for North Korea. I’m sick of these wars that go on forever.

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    • bullright says:

      I agree the ROE are really not, and more like rules of disengagement. While there are never any rules on the other side. Good point. I expect we need Congress with some gonads.

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    • bullright says:

      Yea the wars that go on…. That’s why it seemed to be a turnoff to hear McCain blasting away. Geesh, we can’t be in all these places. What do we even get for it, or our good will? But the funny part is the media ran to say there is hardly any difference between his view and what Obama is doing. Then boasting about Obama’s superior foreign policy. You know where he invades Libya by air and bypasses congress then takes a trip to SA. Who else could do that? They call this expert f/p? Then waters down sanctions on Iran. Yea, he’s a scholar…. of helter skelter psychosis. Oh then he slips a note under Putin’s door that he’ll be more flexible next term. Just Brilliant! And people believe it.

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  6. Davetherave says:

    Excellent post bull!

    I don’t care what GOP wanna be folks support during the primary process. Each person has the right to support whoever they want. That’s the purpose of primaries.

    When it gets time to vote for whoever wins the nomination it’s time to support the GOP nominee. All this total bull shit I hear about people trying to effect change within the party by protesting the nominee is a plan that is as good as the one General Custard utilized and just as stupid. I’m sure you’ve noticed Pepp is a hell of a lot more diplomatic than I! 🙂

    I cannot think of one single democrat president that was elected in my life time that turned out to be a better president than the GOP that he was running against. Anyone want to have an open debate with me on my opinion? If so; step up the plate. I sure in the hell did not like McCain at all, but I voted for him. It is completely impossible McCain would have been a worse president than the sumbitch. I chose to effect change by keeping democrats out of elected positions. That’s the only choice that is realistically available and I stick to that always. The bull shit “protest” people use to say they’re effecting change is one pie-in-the-sky, naive notion!

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    • bullright says:

      Dave,

      Hey, can’t argue with that…but then what would be the point? When you’re right. I know what it is to take a principle stand, but against Obama the only principle I see is his defeat — and making it as unpleasant and utterly miserable as possible. Showing diverse people come together against the bastid is a powerful message. Good point, I can’t think of any, even a Dole. We have one shot to send this super-rad packing. And its going to leave a stain at that.

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      • Davetherave says:

        bull,

        Our nation has a stain on it that will always haunt our history already. The stain that would be left from removing that stain will never be as bad as the original stain. Do you understain me? 🙂

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    • bullright says:

      Maybe not the place for it but its not going to get easier aside from Obama either. I’m pretty much thinking Cuomo is coming behind the bastid. If we can’t stop this Chicago rad, how will we stop him…or whatever other smooth operator who crawls up?

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