In or out of UN?

This is probably against my better interest but I’ll say it anyway.
[Dave suggested I post something we don’t necessarily on which prompted this]

Stay in the UN — like what are the options? Be careful what you ask for.

I will not apologize for the UN or its idiotic behavior, even evils, but I don’t think we should bail out of it. If not for us and our vote, Israel would really have no vote or allies.

They’d be standing in a world minus their one ally. And it may even make much of the world happy to see us get out. Just saying.

And we still need to have what influence we have in the body and getting out would not do us any big favors. Funding it by their lonesome and moving it somewhere else might be a challenge for them, but they would probably find some way, with their miscreant connections.

While that might make a few people mad, I don’t see the alternative as too attractive.

Here’s an example:

A quote from Brookings Institute:

Just three years ago, the United States absented itself from the world’s principal diplomatic forum for human rights because it felt it couldn’t get its way on every issue. As a result, it ceded important ground to the very governments it criticized for their human rights practices, leaving our closest allies, including Israel, and human rights defenders around the world exposed.

Now, after two years of active engagement as a member of the Human Rights Council, the United States can show real results that prove that staying and fighting for our core values is worth the effort, as I noted in my testimony to the House Foreign Affairs Committee this month.

31 comments on “In or out of UN?

  1. pepperhawk says:

    Bull

    Very good stuff. I never really thought about the way you put it. But, I see where our bailing out could cause a lot of problems now as you stated. Although I hate the damn thing filled up with dictators and terrorists, you make a very good point about Israel.

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    • bullright says:

      Pepp, it is so full of bs and and all. I guess that idea is not too popular. ha ha

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      • pepperhawk says:

        Bull,

        Well, yes the UN is BS, but your article hits on something I, for one, hadn’t thought about. So you make a good case IMHO.

        Bull, check your email. I just sent you a link to an article you may like to post.

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        • bullright says:

          Pepp, thanks will do, I can’t from here. My problem is wondering if we would not be losing in the process. But I don’t know that.

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          • pepperhawk says:

            Bull,

            Nobody can really know what could happen if we pulled out of the UN. We don’t really have to worry about though since we never will abandon that disgusting body of loons. And I wonder how much they would be capable of if we did not support them via money. We give the most money to the UN than any other country. I wonder who would step in and make up the difference in the funds they would lose.

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            • bullright says:

              Pepp, you know, that’s what I was thinking, It will be cold day in hell when that happens so we ought to try to get some benefit out of it.(flex our elbows)

              Without us, the Arabs would take it over as their caliphate if possible. I just want to be assured we wouldn’t be losing and I don’t know that anyone can reassure that.

              Gee since you put it that way, I don’t even think we can threaten them by leaving, they’d be celebrating. They could probably get the Saudis to buy it, I mean ‘chip in’ to fill the void.

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  2. pepperhawk says:

    Oh, and I believe that the King is no supporter of Israel. So I wonder how much we are actually on their side.

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    • bullright says:

      Pepp, that seems to be the giant problem is not having the right representation or using it effectively, Surely he does not give Israel any confidence, the liar that he is. Someone like a Jeane Kirkpatrick though could be a different story.

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      • pepperhawk says:

        Bull,

        I wish we still had John Bolton in there. But, now this Samantha Power, what a lunatic she is. She already has called the US guilty of crimes against humanity. She doesn’t sound like a very good choice. She also was involved with that “Free Gaza” ship that was headed to Israel to do something to them, but Turkey would not let that ship got to Israel, thank God for that.

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        • pepperhawk says:

          In reply to:
          Bullright writes:
          July 22, 2013 at 3:13 pm

          Bull, I think you are right. We should flex our muscle especially with all the money in which we support them.

          Yeah, they would probably be joyous if we pulled out and be dancing in the streets. Saudi Arabia has plenty of money to keep the god forsaken thing going and we don’t know what could happen with that.

          That’s why you made a very interesting argument for staying in the UN. I can see Iran running everything in there. Holy cow, wouldn’t that be a disaster!

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        • bullright says:

          Pepp, too bad we now have the radical sis Powers. That’s his inner circle, nothing but rads. Remember how much moaning there was over Bolton? We hear nothing about these…loons. like they say, I guess that’s how you know you are over the taget, when they get the loudest. They had Bolton painted as an anti-woman frankenstein. The left seems to be pretty quiet about the UN club med lately. I would support a one-way flotilla for all the rads but the logistics would be a nightmare.

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          • pepperhawk says:

            Having the rad Power is like giving the UN a gift. As for a one way flotilla that would be very difficult since they would not all fit on one ship or maybe even 100 ships. But, I’d be willing to donate money to get them all shipped to Antarctica. We could just line up one C-40 after another and just keep pushing them on until they are all outta here. Food and baggage not needed, just a a 3 day ration supply and then they could start the cannibalism by eating one another. Now there’s something I’d be delighted to see. Send all these eco-freaks too.

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          • pepperhawk says:

            Bull, I’ll pardon your great pun. Too funny!

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        • bullright says:

          Pepp, another thing on the radar, have you seen where Kerry is now push some ME peace deal. I guess Obama is getting desperate reaching for any diversion he can find.

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          • pepperhawk says:

            Bull, yes I did read it and it is one of the article links I sent you in case you want to write bout that since you are good at the Jewish issue. And it’s a really bad deal that the king and kerry, both traitors want of Israel.

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            • bullright says:

              Pepp, well there’s an idea, maybe Kerry can organize his own anti-Israel flotilla since that’s right up his nautical alley. If he has time that is. The celebs wold love it. But him making a deal just gives me the chuckles.

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          • pepperhawk says:

            Bull, in reply to this comment made:
            July 22, 2013 at 4:50 pm

            Maybe Kerry can pull out his old swift boat and do another number like he did in his 3 short mos in Nam. He could arrive off the shores of Israel and get off the boat and shoot somebody in the back like he did that young boy in Nam. Then claim a purple heart for himself or get a Congressional Medal of Honor for his bravery for attacking an Israeli. Or he could win a prize by the UN for his outstanding performance. I’m sure they would simply love that kind of valor.

            All of the antisemitic in this country would be calling for Kerry’s coronation to be the next King.

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  3. Davetherave says:

    Damn Bull, you did a great job taking me being sarcastic (I know…me sarcastic??) and turning it into an outstanding article!

    Like the comments above; I had forgotten how that may impact Israel. Hell; you changed my whole thinking with this article where I’ve screamed for years for us to get the hell out of the POS organization. I would now suggest we stay in, but like you and Pepp stated get proper representation and not a wimpy ass kisser muzzie commie lover. Bolton sounds great to me.

    Seeing how our country is now so broke it’s ridiculous; I’d cut WAY back on the funds given to the UN. They misuse most of the money anyway and it’s usually used in a way that sure in the hell doesn’t help us or Israel. I would block anything brought up by those other countries that constantly block our suggestions. Like uh China and Russia and I mean anything no matter how logical their suggestions sound.

    Very good job ole chap….

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    • pepperhawk says:

      Dave,

      We usually do block stuff from China and Russia as they block what we do or suggest in the UN. Even cutting the money back may make an excuse for one of the Arab countries to make up for that money. We have to have some kind of hold over them or they will go bananas in there doing everything they can to condemn Israel over them defending themselves. It’s a sad state of affairs in that place.

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      • Davetherave says:

        Pepp,

        You make a good point of the possible repercussions of us cutting way down on our funding, but I don’t see the bastards in the UN doing anything to help Israel while we are their cash cow. I’d send the funds straight to Israel along with ANYTHING they wished to purchase from us to defend their homeland.

        It could be very problematic to pull a boat load of our funding, but something has to give. We and Israel are getting hung out to dry on our dime. Of course this is just a pipe dream of mine, while we have a muzzie Pharaoh here that sends muzzie butt kissers to the UN as our rep.

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    • bullright says:

      Dave, well why shouldn’t we get something for leaving, if we ever could/would? I mean they always seem to be getting a benefit from our loss. We sure could save the money. It is one avenue to civilly deal with them, if we would. There is a lot of dysfunction there too, not entirely a bad thing,

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      • Davetherave says:

        Pepp, you nailed it with stating it is a very sad state of affairs.

        Bull, you made another good point with how dysfunctional the morons are that run the UN. Imagine what the UN could accomplish (damage they could really do), if someone with a touch of intelligence was in charge?? Talk about a well funded WMD organization…wow. And we should get something back. Say like…a huge pile of beautiful rubble as a demolition team brings the damn UN building to the ground! (no one inside of course…)

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    • bullright says:

      Dave, LMAO …show them what a real blockade (protest) looks like.

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  4. clyde says:

    You, of anyone, know my hatred, and distrust of, the goddamned U-fricking-N. However, you made a good post, and it does put us into a quandary. The problem, as I see it, with Obama running the show, any help we COULD be to Israel at the goddamned den of criminals will NOT be allowed by him. What I believe the U.S. COULD do, IF we had REAL leadership, is refuse to fund the bastards,unless and until they recognize the RIGHT,granted by GOD, NOT of the fricking U-frigging-N, of Israel to EXIST. And, get the damned Arabs, Palestinians, and the rest of the camelhumpers, to leave Israel the hell ALONE. Let her live in peace. It’ll NEVER happen in my lifetime,however.

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    • bullright says:

      Clyde, thanks. well, I’m trying to make the best of a bad situation — or make chicken salad out of chicken chit as they say. That’s a very interesting point, considering the budget, you know if UN looked something like Detroit, maybe then they’d think twice about priorities and what they’re doing?

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    • Davetherave says:

      Hey Clyde…LMAO! Oh yeah; we all know of your “great love” for the UN! 😀

      I agree with you Clyde regarding the funding. (1) We can’t frigging afford it, and (2) the damn UN does NOTHING to help us when most of what their doing is on OUR dime. I understand Pepp’s concern that may create a vacuum for a muzzie country to jump in with more funds (thus more influence), but IMO enough of this shit is enough.

      Our cash they blow is the only leverage at all we have with the UN, so I say we use it to the max. If some muzzie ass country wants to jump in with more funds, then we can always send the money we waste giving to the UN straight to Israel. That’s better than cutting out the middle man, because right now the UN doesn’t do shit to help Israel.

      It is a nice dream, but you’re right. It ain’t going to happen in my lifetime either.

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